A simulcast episode with Nerdy Fangirl Podcast, where Ray and I talk about Trese, a Filipino animated series adapted from a comic book illustrated by Kajo Baldisimo and writer Bujette Tan. Ray is a fellow otaku from Cebu, who is currently based in Auckland, New Zealand. We shared our thoughts on the animated series, whilst Ray provided depth and background about the comic book, Filipino mythology, more particularly, the story of the creation based on Cebuano mythology. Stay tuned at the end of the episode where he shares his recommended Filipino authors and their works.




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Ray: And I feel that in the Philippines, we've somehow lost a lot of that connection. Our stories  our myths connect us back to that past, connect us back to the greatness that was

Glee: I'm the, bad cop, good cop kind of conversation.

Hey Zesties, welcome to the simulcasts episode of the gleeful talk show and the nerdy fan girl podcast. This episode crosses over topics that would fit the two podcasts. So I thought that might as well do a simulcast. Right? And so today we are going to talk about a Filipino animation series adapted from a comic book series, entitled Trese, which is now available on Netflix . So I haven't read the comics yet, but I'm glad to be talking today with my guest slash co-host, who has read the comics and watch the anime as well. He is  currently based in New Zealand, but which is also from my hometown Cebu. Please welcome Ray Don Lim.

Hi Ray. Welcome to the show.

Ray: Hi glee. Glad to be here.

Glee: Great. Thank you for being on the show and yes. So Trese before anything else? We'll try not to be, talking a lot of spoilers. So would that Zesties these will still, we will still like to watch it, but can you talk about what, in a nutshell, on a nutshell, what Trese is about.

Ray: So Trese is actually a mid two thousands comics that was created by sir Butch and  Bellissimo. It's basically action detective story that revolves around Philippine mythology. The main character is Alexandra Trese. She is the I believe the Babaylan-Lakambini . Basically she keeps a balance between the human world and the world of the the spirit world, basically in the Philippines.

So the anime is a little bit more action oriented than the comics. Let the guys out there know, but it's beautiful. It's something that we could call our own. And it's something that I on a personal note wish could be a little, could be more mainstream, internationally.

Glee: Great. so you've mentioned about Babaylan-Lakambini, and I know you are also fascinated about Filipino mythology. So for  for the benefit of our Zesties, So what is buh-bye land beanie or, I mean, these words might be separate on their own. I think?

Ray: Yep. So ,Lakambini, I'm not entirely sure. But Babaylan that basically priestess or yeah, priestess in our old times and I might be wrong, but to the best of my knowledge Babaylans can only be women and you know, they are our connection to the gods. So. Yes while our pre-colonial times in the Philippines of men did ruleas Datus, but our women also had very prominent roles.

They were basically our connection to the gods. So Trese here is kind of like that connection, I would say to, to the spirit to the gods, especially if you. Read some of the comics or spin-off comics on Trese and definitely also our protector. so.

Lakambini. Like I said, I'm not entirely sure. I'll have to Google that, but to the best of my knowledge as well, it might be about warriors or whatnot.

Glee: so, Trese, is you know, like a detective, but has in the modern times, but it's like also  in touch with the spirit world. As we mentioned,  mythic logical creatures that was, that was shown there. So if you could share also to us,  what were the, your favorite mythical creature and why you are fascinated with it?

Ray: Yeah. So I would say like, well, outside of the anime and thecomics my favorite mythological creature it would be the Encanto. I was tempted to think about Aswangs, to be honest, because that is definitely what we have on the mainstream. But with, with Encantos, they're basically our. Filipino elves.

They are beautiful noted as, in fact gorgeous. And they're very good with illusion and deceptive magic, you know, making you believe some somewhere else. And there are, and here's the caveat than that. There are persistent stories about them even to the modern age, especially if you go into the more rural parts of the Philippines.

So that's why I could say I have some sort of favoritism over them and some sort of curiosity. You know if you've worked in the Philippines. Yeah. Yep.

Glee: Yeah. Yeah. But because interests, I'm not sure where, which one is Encantos. Is that the, the women, the white women with that  with Maliksi? Was

Ray: you could

Glee: They

were not really introduced. Right.

Ray: So, um,

Glee: there. Right.

Ray: Oh, yeah. So the way they are wind spirits and I, yeah. So depending on who you ask, They some might be more Puritan and say that they're Anitos which is, really our, our sort of are sort of equivalent to something ethereal or or spiritual, you know?

Glee: Okay. Okay. Interesting. So outside Trese you were already fascinated with Filipino mythology back when you were like, how old.

Ray: Let's just say. Probably in my early teens, like I won't deny the of fact that my, that I've read more about Greek gods and maybe a bit number of other foreign foreign inspired, I would say mythology, but. With regard to Filipino mythology, apart from the fact that we discuss it back in our schools when we were younger.

I was just fascinated when I went to the library and read a bit about them, read about our creation, myths, both firstly, the Tagalog creation myths, which is more famous. It was about Bathala and a giant snake that he had to kill. And then I, of course being the proud Cebuano, I know that I am, I tried to see if we, as Cebuanos or Visayans had our own creation myth..

And lo and behold, we actually do. And one character in that myth actually appears in a Trese comic spinoff. Now I won't spoil much of it. We can discuss that a bit of that later, but yeah, so that's, I, I just really love reading about stories like this fiction and whatnot and the connection.

That it provides to a pre Spanish past. So for the listeners out there, we in the Philippines do learn a lot about  our history when, Spain took over our country. But prior to that, not many as known and whenever we have that opportunity or I have that opportunity to learn more about it through these stories.

It's fantastic. And I really love it.

Glee: it's good that you mentioned because you know for me, I really haven't tried to read most of them in the libraries. Were they, were they even there in the libraries? Like I haven't noticed, I only would like read like Nancy drew or something, so it's quite embarrassing, but.

Ray: No, there is nothing embarrassing about reading and expanding your knowledge and enjoying life through books. Thing with me is I gravitate towards those and it reflects on the kind of anime or shows that I watch, which is why I'm very, I'm very interested in the Marvel cinematic universe. Thor and, you know, trying to see the gods and whatnot, and in our own Filipino setting.

I love that Trese anime. I love the Trese comics and I love other books done  by our authors. When I have the chance to read them, of course, we can definitely discuss further about these authors or their books rather, but just to name, drop a few books like  by David Hontiveros they, the thing with David's books is that he tries to steer away from the mainstream.

And then you, and once you do your own private research, you realize, well, some of these creatures are actually present in Butuan or Bicol those outside of Metro Manila, and it's amazing that way. So these are just some of the sample.

Glee: Great. so can we go back to about the Visayan creation, because I'm not entirely across this topic, so if you could share it to us, what do you maybe read that? You know, at least we would be more appreciative of our creation story.

Ray: Okay. No worries. So just a little bit of background or as well for, for our listeners. Glee and I  are from a region called the Visayas , which is south of the Capitol. The Philippines is very diverse. Culturally, if you, if you search that on and our creation myths differs, I would say from the creation myth that most people who might know of.

So in the Visayas who our Supreme God is Kaptan rather than, uh Bathala. So Kaptan in it's all power of course created the heavens And then funny thing with this one is. The thing with our myths is that it's very much the same as I would say Western myths we're in our gods are not perfect.

Sometimes they're not even immortal. You can have them killed or they can die naturally. And this is what happened in our Visayan myths, where in, I believe a Kaptan's grandchildren decided that. We're powerful or powerful bastards. Sorry for the language. We'll let's go take, take on our grandpa. Of course, grandpa being the old powerful God decided to teach them a lesson and kill them.

Funny way to teach grandchildren a lesson. So his grandchildren became the land became the moon, became the sun. In fact it was even noted that the one that became the. The land was the one who led to rebellion. And this is also the interesting part is how we show through our myths that even these gods, again are not perfect.

They might even be as human as us because he accidentallykills his innocent granddaughter who was looking for  her brothers. And.  Kaptan shot her with, I believe a lightning bolt. She shattered into a million pieces. And when he finally calms down and regrets, what he did he turns her bodies or the shattered pieces of her bodies into our stars.

See, so I see that. So it's like, wow, it's amazing how we are able to come up with these kinds of stories, you

Glee: Yeah. Yeah. And you mentioned that there are some similarities with Western mythology. It's just fascinating to me that, before there's no internet. They do not know about the land outside the Philippines and how. Similar or maybe like, there are similarities in a way, which is like,

Ray: Yep. I suppose it's just my own thinking that we turn into the divine, those that we are not too familiar with or those that we see that we cannot reach like the sun in many cultures, we see that as we see them as gods.

If I'm not mistaken, Bathala uses lightning bolts. And you know, who's a very famous God who uses lightning bolts. So that's how we see things that make us, that keep us in awe that keep us in fear. We see them as gods in the olden days right now, of course we have science, but there's always that beauty of that mysticism and that connection that it gives us to our past, you know, so that's why I enjoy those.

Glee: Yeah. Yeah. It's very fascinating. it's good that you have discovered them because it's not mainstream, you know, like looking at  Filipino mythology. And so was this in the libraries before.

Ray: I would say yes. I'm not one of those, to be honest, I'm not one of those guys who during recess would, would grab a basketball and shoot some hoops. Like any self-respecting Filipino, I suppose. I do enjoy the NBA watching, my favorite teams win. But then I always found myself in the library, reading about our stories.

Always tried to find books that cater to that. And I know it's not Filipino, but Harry Potter made me want to take up writing, So I'm one of those guys who love the fictional world. And I won't lie, maybe because sometimes the real world is not always too good, you know?

Glee: Yeah. Yeah. I can really, really relate to


Ray: Exactly. So there is that. any with books, they say you can go visit the world. I'm going to elevate that argument and say with books, you can see beyond the world that you see in your eyes, So again, it just fascinates me and I continue to be fascinated as, as I move along with my life.

Glee: Great. So going deep dive into Trese. what are your thoughts Trese's character?. Maybe thoughts on Trese herself as a character in the comic and the anime.

Ray: Okay. So

Trese    as a character. Let's just put it out there for me. It was a really good thing that she's, she's there to represent us all.  I would say she's, a great ambassador to our stories and whatnot. And here's something that I've also read with regard to Trese's history.

Now, sir, Butch and Kadjo. When they created a TruSeq character, she was originally supposed to be male. And I suppose a lot of people didn't know that, but then I believe it was Sir Butch who, who said. Hey, why don't we make her female? Because if we keep her male, she'll just be like any other action star.

And, you know, I think that's also good that we as Filipinos, I suppose, as a callback to our older times where we've, where we do view women at such prominence, we give prominence to the woman right now in the modern world saying that yes, our women are great. Yes. Our women can also kick. alien butts or rather demon butt at this, at this point.

Right. So I think that's it. Yeah.

Glee: And what I like about in our culture in general is, you know, like Western cultures have really patriarchal society. I mean, we have that one, but the women is not like far behind, I feel. I feel that Filipino women are are strong, or stronger.

Ray: Yep. On that point, I don't know if this is real or might be apocryphal, but friends of mine, really good friends of mine who shared, you could say the same passion of reading about our history or whatnot did say that our martial arts Arnis, and it's. Pre-colonial form was also used by our women and a reason why a few, not many people would try to raid us is because when they do and they step into the house, our women would just beat them up.

So I don't know if that's true, but I wouldn't be surprised either granting the kind of strength our women have shown throughout the generations.

Glee: Yeah. Yeah. Great. And for Trese Trese in itself in the comics and anime, are they depicted differently or what, or what are your thoughts?

Ray: No, actually, they're virtually the same, you know? So she strong-willed shifts your strict bossing slash "Ate"  to really, really rambunctious younger brothers or this case. the kambals, the twins. I know they're Demi gods and whatnot, but you see that there's this brother, sister dynamics.

And as somebody who's. The middle child with an older sister. I know how fun it can be to just mess with the "Ate". And you can feel that sometimes with the kambals and you've got the Trese who just like, you know what, I'm busy and God, I don't want to deal with you guys, but you're my brothers. I love you.

I have no choice, but to love. So I love that. I love that, that it's still there and the anime, you know,

Glee: Hmm. And What about the anime voice acting? I know this has um, this has really garnered some mixed opinions. I feel with netizens, but of course this is our, just our thoughts. So do not bash us guys, but yeah. So what are your thoughts?

Ray: Okay. So first and foremost I will really claim that Tagalog is not my first language. It is a national language. Yes. I can speak it. I grew up in the Philippines, but like most like already, like many Cebuanos knows our Tagalog is not up to par. I would say, so I favored watching the episodes in English and the thing, but the English ones, I think they Did pretty well in representing it.

It was, I would say, it wasn't as great. I should add. It should be, it was serviceable. I like the part where the characters do not sound American. In many cases they do sound Filipino, especially side characters, like captain Guerrero and Lieutenant Tapia with Alex. I know she was done by a Canadian Filipino.

Who, who is well-versed in Filipino as well. I think she may have grew up here.

Glee: Did she?

Ray: I, from the, I'm not sure Did she move to Canada at 19?

Glee: sure as well, but yeah. Okay. Please go on.

Ray: no, no worries. And yeah, so I think she represented it still very well still serviceable, but with regard to the Tagalog dub, I have seen the comments and I have watched at least one episode just to compare now.

the honest truth is that Liza Sobrano the voice actress it felt quite monotonous, her delivery, you know, it didn't have that, the kind of a range emotional range that could have help the, anime. And yes, I know I just watch one episode, but apparently those who watch the full shebang felt the same way as well.

Now, again, for me, From a marketing perspective, I get where the producers were coming from. Yes. As an audience member, I wish theyactually got professional voice actors, but see especially for our listeners out of the Philippines Liza Soberano is one of our, I would say one of our premier TV, actresses currently, and for her to have been brought in on a marketing perspective would really generate a lot of buzz would really get people, especially those, not familiar with the comics to, to come in and have a look. Sadly, it didn't work out as, as good as people might've hoped for, but at least it got the word out there. Do I think changes should be made in the next season if we're getting a next season a season two then yes, I do hope. I think we could definitely improve it on, that point, but again, this is nothing against Liza.

Uh, Maybe it's a new venture for her, right. What are your thoughts on that one though?

Glee: Yeah. So with what you said that the English version Had some Filipino English or the accent might be, I felt not really. They felt, I felt like who was that captain Guerero or I know Anton, the father of Trese, he sounded like Nico Bolzico for me.

Ray: Oh?

Glee: Nico. Do you know Nico Bolzico?

Ray: No, I'm sorry.

Glee:  he's not an actor. He is the husband of Solenn Heussaf

and so he is not Filipino at all. Like he's Argentinian, but is residing in the Philippines. So he speaks kind of like that. So like maybe like

Ray: Latin

Glee: Latin American, so, yeah. Yeah. So most of them, I feel that they are more Latin American, which Cause a lot of Filipinos, really are well versed in English. Right. And we have a certain accent English accent as well. I was wondering why they didn't get like maybe professional Filipino voice actors who speak English, English. That's what was running through my mind.

Do you have any other thoughts?

Ray: Yeah. So like I mentioned earlier again, maybe it was just to generate buzz as well. And now that you mention it, maybe Captan Guerero does have that. I would say Spanish twang partially, but I do still stand by saying that it does have, or they did attempt to give it a Filipino flair because.

Filipino or Tagalog, Tagalog English accent. You can really hear it. And to that point of again, voice professional voice actors, I get where they're coming from there. We're just trying to market this and try to make it as international as possible. And if you deliver a movie and say it's an English, and then with really thick Tagalog English accent, it might fall flat.

You know? So from a marketing perspective, again, I, I get where they were coming.

Glee: Okay. Yeah, I get what you mean on that one then, but anyway, but also with my thoughts on, of course Liza Soberano , I didn't actually know. I didn't know anything about Trese,to be honest, anything at all, then it just showed up in my Netflix, you know, recommendations.  And then when I saw some, some Instagram posts that, oh, it's actually Filipino, then I started it, but I started it in English as well.

And I didn't know that there was a Tagalog version then when I switched to Tagalog then yes. Again, I was disappointed to the point that, yeah, I prefer English as well with listening on English and the thing with their Tagalog, subtitles is also different with what they are saying.

So it's like, it doesn't reconcile. So, hard though. I was trying to, you know, love that the tagalog version and it's also, the subtitles were wrong or, I mean, not, not the same with what they were saying. And also about yeah. Liza. I actually, if I would hear it, I wouldn't think that it was Liza Soberano  on the mic, which is I mean, kudos to her that she was able to, really do it.

Like make a difference with what her normal thing, how was she normally says the Tagalog or something, but still, I agree with being monotonous in a way. And even, my husband was who doesn't speak the Tagalog at all.  you know he heard it and he said like, what, what is that? Acting voice, acting like it's so...

It's so dry. Like he was like commenting, like he doesn't know at all anything about it, but he, I was mentioning to him about like, oh, this is Soberano. I know. And she's very popular in the Philippines and whatnot. So, but still, he was even like an outsider who is not Filipino,

Ray: Yep.

Glee: that it's kind of monotonous and It's just, I feel there's a really big difference. Like maybe it's because it's our first time first time, delivering this to international audience. But if you compare it like series, like game of Thrones, where actors we're not, really popular. Like only few actors were popular there.

I think like maybe Cersei or Tyrion. But most of them were not, really, very famous, but then that's how they started. But how Filipinos do it or it's the other way around? I know that's just what I feel, but maybe it's because they wanted it to be marketable in the international audience, which I think again is.

Countering it, I feel because if we want to market it into an international audience with the word international, they don't knowLiza Soberano. I know. I don't know. That's just my thoughts, but yeah.

Ray: Yup. I get where you're coming from and that's, those are actually pretty good points, but we also have to consider that apart from the international audience, we are also marketing it to our fellow Filipinos and they're trying to get it on a wider demographic. Now, if you're trying to get everyone on board, then that's where that name recall really helps.

And. I'll be honest the sad to say sometimes yes, Filipinos do tend to defend to the high heavens our own talent to the detriment of something that could work far more internationally. You know, so yes, there is that point, but I also, we also have to look at it from. Again, from a marketing perspective And of course from a budget perspective, you mentioned game of Thrones. How many millions of dollars can be funneled into that to get people like umTyrion Lannister, Cersei  say the actors through those to come in, we don't have that kind of budget. I think so,

Glee: know what I know, what I mean is like, I'm not, not the, the famous ones, but people the Arya and Harrington, they weren't really household names at that

time. So, but yeah, I get, I really get what you mean as well that, for a business point of view marketing point of view. Then it would make sense to have, I mean, Liza Soberano course she is a very pretty face.

So having that version again, but again, but again, she's not full Filipino again and again. So I would have preferred someone. I don't know, the not bash me Zesties or anyone who's listening to this, but I would prefer someone let's say maybe still a household name, like Kathryn Bernardo or someone who is like really Filipino.

Ray: Yeah.

Glee: I don't know if, if we want this to be, I mean, it's not that Liza is less Filipino than we are, but I know you get, you know what I mean?

Ray: I know, I know what you mean. I really do, but also yeah, Kathryn Bernardo, she also does have some name recall. I'll be honest. I don't watch our teleseryes again. I do avoid them. I do avoid them. Um, And I'm not really into drama, but I, again, I get where you're coming from on that end.

Maybe it's yes, let's be honest here. Maybe it's because Liza does have a prettier face and I have seen her try to look like Trese and look, as far as looks are concerned, she does nail it. She really does. And you know, if it was a live action and she presented herself as a, an Alexandra Trese that way. Yeah.

she can do it. Definitely.


Glee:  So who is your favorite character in Trese?

Ray: So. I would point out just three. Just to, show you why. So, Amie and Hannah of course. I would say from my perspective, are my favorites, the reason being I'm a guy, so. Listeners, please deal with it. like with most guys, I do tend to be attracted to, to go pretty women and I like it and they're wind spirits they're actually, and if I'm going to be more technical, they're actually, have the ability to make things go really fast.

And you've seen that in the anime, in the comics they present it that really well as well. So from that end, I do like, I do like that. The other one I would say is Talabugsao the God of destruction. Those who let's say family and friends who know me know for my pension, for liking action flicks or, or fantasy anime.

And if anything, they presented Talabugsao really well, violent, strong, all powerful that even the main character truly would have a hard time beating. And I can actually make the argument, especially for those who who've watched the anime. Try not to spoil this, but the way they beat Talabugsao showed just what they needed to do.

Just to be well, to get one up on somebody who is virtually indestructible, right. Because he is destruction itself. Right. So I would say that's why Amie and Hannah for it's the guy thing. If I'm going to be serious radon, then it's a Talabugsao.

 Glee: Okay. Do you, you mentioned three, so, the wind spirits are two. Okay. Okay. For me, I think I like Captan Guerrero actually at first I thought like, I was like, so skeptical about him. Maybe at first, oh, okay. He's a good guy, but maybe he's not really a good guy because he's too much of a good police.

 But yeah, actually on the sixth episode, the whole I'm trying not to spoil that much, but I thought he was actually the bad guy.

Ray: Yes,

Glee: Like, like he will turn into the bad guy.

Ray: I understand it because if you look at a lot of stories, a lot of anime, especially if you, you mentioned earlier game of Thrones, though, those kinds of twists exists. And let me tell you right now, if you are a reader of the comics, you will see a huge twist. One particular character that I think worked out well in the anime that you were saying, just to give you a clue, you're going to go and say really he's a villain in the anime the clues there.

Guys support our local people, read the comics. All right.

Glee: Yeah. Yeah. Great. Thank you for that. And so any major differences that you can see with the anime and comics?

Ray: Hmm. So with the anime, I did feel that it was more action oriented versus that of the comics not to say the comics didn't have its action. In fact, the books that had Talabugsao so had a lot of, of, of action thing with the. comics though, is that it highlights more of Trese detective skills rather than her fighting skills.

Also in the comics, Trese uses implements to cast her spells rather than just you know, casting it in thin air. She used less magic and fighting and more with her physical combat, I would say. Let's see what other differences again, there are some crackers with some twists. Just to let you know, Hank the bartender in the diabolical, in the comics?

He definitely wouldn't try to dress up to impress a girl. No, he he's not like that. So that's one, that's one thing maybe be with the art style? Well, I would say because in the comics it's really trying, it's say more Filipino. In fact Alexandra Trese looks more Chinese Filipino into comics. And the anime, I get it, that she is drawn that way because we are trying to reach a wider audience.

And secondly it's marketed as an anime, right. And in anime wider eyes mean I would say friendlier has a friendlier tone, whereas a smaller eyes is a little bit more shows a little bit more hostility.

Glee: Mm. Yes. Yes. And good. That you've mentioned that because I wanted to say as well, the costume of Trese, if this was set in the Philippines, it would be too warm.

Ray: Right, right. So I've never thought about it that way, but from

Glee: Okay.

Ray: Yeah, from my research, she would say, or just soft reading. Sir Budj and Sir Kadjo,  did decide that Trese is to wear that kind of trench coat with that kind of Chinese style buttons or whatnot.

 I know it might seem a bit too hot, but again, it does look cool. So maybe that's the

Glee: Yeah, it is. It is cool. It is cool. It's just, I'm just trying to be nitpicky here. So yeah. And then also I feel that since I haven't really read the comics. How big the eyes or something. But when I saw Trese as someone who has not read, the comics has no clue and is Filipino. I feel that she's not Filipino looking.

That's what I felt when I first saw it. So, and she's also lighter skinned than everyone else there. I feel

Ray: Right. That's you could say that, that

Glee: I'm nitpicking. So.

Ray: No, that's all right. I mean personally, I don't know. I guess I look at Filipinos and we're a mix from dark skin to really light skin that you can't believe that they're, that they're Filipinos. So for me, the way Trese was depicted could be viewed as the modern Filipino.

Like, can you truly say that? Right now, as, as a Filipina, you're a hundred percent Filipino, very few can say that. Personally me I'm, I'm Chinese Filipino looking at you I'm I'm thinking already she has Chinese blood, or might even have a bit of Spanish, you

Glee: Yeah, my great grandma is Spanish. So.

Ray: there we go. So see, there's already that mixture. And Alex, I do feel that  she is a bit on the. Upper strata in terms of a class. So definitely if you notice, if you, if you look at the stereotype upperclassmen in the Philippines, they're usually fair skin, usually. All right.

So I think that they were trying to and with a house, like what Trese had, you can definitely see that she's part of upper strata, you know? So

Glee: Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Great, great point there. Yeah. I totally agree. So it's just like try and find a nitpick, take something, you know.   Also. was, it explained in the comics about being six child of the sixth child. And because I felt that Trese is 13. Why not 13th child of the 13th child?

Ray: Okay. So my mistake so to be honest, it wasn't explained what the mysticism is there on being a six child of a six child is, or maybe it was, and I just forgot about it,

Glee: Or maybe a theory. What is your theory?

Ray: There have been. Western stories about a seventh child of a seventh child. If I'm not mistaken, there was even a movie about that.

And there's some mysticism, there's some story behind that. And I think we might have been bringing that here because certainly I haven't heard about our mythology talking about our six child of a six child. Maybe we just borrowed that element from outside.

Glee: Because I was thinking like, oh, her surname is Theresa. Why not 13th child of the 13th child. Yeah.

Ray: Good. Yeah.

I know now that I, now that I think of it, well, why not? Right.

Glee: Right. And so what are your overall thoughts on this?

Ray: Yep. So my overall thoughts is that it's an amazing anime, especially if you're a fan of Filipino mythology. Yes. It's, it's not perfect. I will admit to that, but for a first time for a fully Filipino story, it does represent us well. And I really do hope that it translate to more sales for, out for Sir Budj and Sir Kadjo's Trese  books.

And of course, other books as well, we do have other great authors who do represent us nicely in that, space. And. I do hope it, it revitalizes  that interest in ourselves, our interest in our own culture. Now as a Filipino living in New Zealand, I get to see firsthand how the, Maori, the local people of New Zealand are very

connected to their past are very connected to who they are. And I feel that in the Philippines, we've somehow lost a lot of that connection. Our stories  our myths connect us back to that past, connect us back to the greatness that was, you know, not to say that we're not great Philippines, they're doing very well where we are Australia, New

Glee: Hmm.

Ray: and wherever.

But again things that are our own things that we can be proud of, things that we can look back and pass on to the next generation. These are things that that are valuable and Trese again, I'm hoping, and our authors I'm hoping could revitalize, you know, that interest.

Glee: And then what mythology authors or Filipino authors that you could recommend to our Zesties?

Ray: Right. So I have prepared a bit of a list, but I'll

Glee: Great. We're excited.

Ray: Yep. So you might want to have a look at the works of Mervin Ignatio. He's a writer for Sky World. It is actually set in a still in the Trese universe. It's a spinoff, but it goes to a different track. You can think of it. That's another universe, So it's like, you know how in Marvel, they have multiple universes? you can consider it that way now. There's David Hontiveros . And he does have quite a few stories like Parman, Craving, Seroks and Takod. Now thing with this is his books are written. He has a unique style of writing, which sometimes does not work for me, but the kind of stories he presents are.

Not your typical bash the enemy in the head kind of thing. There's actually a, he tries to go beyond the common themes and he tries to present stories outside of the mainstream Filipino stories that we know of Craving. For example, is a story about a woman who's part owl that's set in the Philippines.

There's Karen. Another author that I, I did like her, her book called Nearmyth. She's Karen Francisco. So it's like a post-apocalyptic Philippines where our mythological creatures have taken over there's. Another one, Eliza, Victoria. And of course here's something that I dredged up from my closet over there.

And one of the books that I actually brought from the Philippines, it's called the A Time for Dragons. It's an anthology of Philippine draconic fiction. So it's a good way to introduce yourselves to our Filipino authors at the same time it's dragons and who doesn't like dragons, you know, and a lot of it is set in Philippine setting.

Glee: Hmm. Yeah. Great. Thank you for it that Ray. And where can we find, like on the internet these books

Ray: In the internet to be fair. I think Lord Google provides.

Glee: uh,

Ray: a quick Google search would say would really show that a lot of this books that I, mentioned or,

authors that I mentioned. You can go to, if you're in the Philippines, you can go to a national bookstore. You can go to

other big chain bookstores and just go to the Filipino fiction section.

And to be fair, a lot of this books are in English. So if you're like me, you struggle with, you struggle with Tagalog. Then you can get the English versions. If you like to like Tagalog stories, we actually do have good ones. And there was actually one book that I didn't mention. It's called Tabi Po  and it was done by Mervin Monzo. And it's like this. Imagine Noli Me Tangere , that's one of a, that's a Filipino book done by our national hero, but the setting it, but a lot of the characters are actually mythological creatures or to be fair, no one character is in an Aswang. There we go.

Glee: Great. Thank you for, yeah. your insights for you. And it was really a very enjoyable conversation. I felt like I'm the, you know, like I'm bad cop, good cop kind of conversation. Yeah. would you like to promote anything where can I are Zesties find you?

Ray: For starters, I'm just your regular Joe. So I don't have any sort of platforms or whatnot. I've just lived life accordingly, but I'm in Auckland, New Zealand. Basically you'll find me on Facebook. Just search my name, Ray Donn Masangkay Lim, if you're not talk about these stuff or just have a. Conversation.

I'm cool with it. But I will promote again, our authors I'll promote that book. I just shown a time for dragons Trese. I will promote that to the high heavens. Again, these are our stories. These are this is our past, this is who we are as Filipinos. And for your international audience, have a look at what we have to offer.

See the similarities that we have to the rest of the world. And you will see that world. Kind of close, in on just how similar All of us can be. Right.

Glee: Okay. Great. Thank you so much Ray

Ray: thank you as well.




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