Such a fun, enjoyable and informative conversation with Louise Hopkin, a professional home organiser based in Canada shares her expertise on:

- why do accumulate so much clutter?

- how to achieve calmness in our lives through decluttering our own space

- how to avoid fuzzy brain

- how do we tell our parents to give new homes for their old stuff when the time comes

- and so much more!


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Today we explore why we accumulate so many objects in our homes that sometimes we don't need and how we can manage and let go of these things.

Our guest is a professional home organizer who has been helping people for five years, decluttering their homes. To provide calmness and balance of the mind, spirit and soul. She is originally from New Zealand and now living in Canada with her family, she loves to learn and find ways to make life simple and enjoy the moment.

Please. Welcome Louise Hopkin. Hi Louise. Welcome to the show.

Louise: Hi.  Glee Thank you so much for having me here. I'm really excited to talk about my favorite subject.

Glee: thank you for being on the show as well. And you run Space Reclaimers currently. What inspired you to build it in the first place?

Louise: That's a really great question. And it's taken me a long time to kind of answer that , when I fell into it, I was looking for a business, not specifically, or home organizing. And I was looking around, I was like, I knew I needed to do something for myself being an entrepreneur. And I found home organizing.

And I'm like, is that really a thing? Like, I hadn't really heard of it before. And so I looked into it more and I was like, that sounds great. And. I, decided to start my own business instead because I wanted to do things my way. And I just had a little twist on it. But the funny thing was like, I'm not a naturally organized person.

And so for quite a while, I was like, why am I doing this? Like what, why am I pulled to this? And, and it was really intriguing. And it finally came to me the more I was working with clients, right. They. We're attached to their stuff. And I could see that there was so many more layers to it. So once I got to those layers, I was like, ah, this is what I'm drawn to is helping people understand, you know, the psychology part of it, the triggers and helping them release.

So that's when it really clicked. And I really switched up and the start of creating my programs and coaching and now that's my passion and I love it. It's just, it's really exciting. And I love seeing people release that weight. It's like a weight. Right. And they can feel it being lifted from them.


 Glee:  That's interesting.  could relate to in a way that It's not naturally within you. Like for me, podcasting or talking is not actually natural for me because I'm an introvert.  When you started  looking at home organizing, was there some point in your life that when it just clicked, like when you started looking at it intently,

Louise: yeah, for sure. So when I started doing it and I was working with friends and, you know, getting to know the system. And kind of how it works. And that's when I was like, okay, this is what I like to do. And, and part of me is I really love to help people and that's always something I've wanted to do as well.

 I didn't know exactly what capacity that would be. And then I found that this really worked for me because I'm very empathetic with people and, and understand and, and get people to open up. So that's when it really clicked. And I'm like, this covers. Everything that I really love about. And that I've been looking for in a career for the last, gosh, I don't know how many years now, a long time.

Glee: Okay.   You've mentioned about attachment and like the psychology in the things that we acquire. Why do you think a lot of us have this emotional attachment to these things?

Louise: well, you know, things?

are really their symbol sometimes of the time in our life. So, you know, if you go traveling and you buy all those souvenirs, And you get those little knickknacks and you're like, Oh, this every time I'm going to see it, this is going to remind me of this memory and this place. And, you just keep buying them, buying them.

And then when you get home, unfortunately, sometimes they just get packed away and it's like, they're collecting dust. And you're like, Whoa, I still remember that trip that I had in that great time I had with friends and family. But we, when we touch things, that memory comes back really, it comes back so strong and then it's like, Oh, but if I get rid of that, then the memory's gone.

So it's trying to make that connection that the memory is still in you, it's not in this stuff, which is really hard for a lot of us. Right. So, Yeah.

Glee: I haven't really thought about that. Like when you told me now, I realize that, Oh yeah, it is. It does. And Do you think, aside from that, is there something that culture related, have you worked with other clients in Canada or somewhere else that they might have different leaning on things on why they, they do it?

Louise: Yeah, for sure. It, there is different cultures. Does that will do that. because gift giving is a huge thing and it's a respectful thing and it's, we need to keep hold of these items and I haven't come across it a whole lot, but I can see it in some homes. Sometimes it's the culture of what they're being, brought up and right.

Their home, the style of their home. It can be if they've come from A place or a country or a time where things were really hard to come by, then you tend to really treasure everything you have. And now you have access to so much stuff because we have online shopping. Things are really affordable now.

Right. You know, you have, I won't mention any names, but like, you know, the big. Websites that you can buy cheap things. So there can be that culture and that background that really leads us to holding on to items because if you've paid really good money for it?

and it's what if I need it,

Glee: yeah. The what is

Louise: thinking. But

what if it's huge or yeah, totally is. It's like, and there's good. Cause when it comes to the, what if there's I talk about rules and guidelines for that? If you have something in your life, but what if I need it someday? A really good rule I say is the 20:20 rule.

And I don't know if you've heard the minimalists actually do this one. And so what it is, if it's under $20 and if you can drive. Don't have to drive more than 20 miles or Ks for it. Then you can let it go easily because it's easily replaced. It's not wasteful way of thinking. It's more like helping you release easier and quicker, if that makes sense.

So having these little rules and guidelines, it really helps with that psychology part of it. Right when you're letting go.

Glee: I'm curious, like for example I have something very sentimental value. Like I can't let go of it. Is there some thing that, Oh, it's fine that you don't let go of it. Is there some kind of like soft rule?

Louise: Yeah, for sure. There is totally, if it's all taking up. A lot of real estate in your home, you know, if it's not causing anxiety. And if you perhaps like the piece, sometimes we don't always necessarily like the piece when it's sentimental, but it still has that attachment to it. Right. So, what I like to say is let's have a, it's either a number game or a space game.

So if you have some sentimental items and say, you have one box full of them, right. So you could have a tote that has your sentimental items in there. That's fine. Right? We're not talking about getting rid of them. Everything. That means something to you, but what we're talking about is creating those boundaries.

So when you have those boundaries, then it doesn't go over it. If it's a sentimental item. Is it a, like if it's a large piece, is it large

Glee: Let's say large. Yeah. Yeah.

Louise: Large. Okay, cool. So if it's a large piece of, we're making this up, so look at on the fly. So if it's a piece of furniture, right. And you're looking at it and it's taking out real estate, then what I suggest is a couple of different things. You can, take photos of it, which I know a lot of people say, but do you ever really go back to that photo and then actually try sell that piece or donate if this is, if you don't like the piece, but another way you could do it is ask family members.

And say, is anybody else interested in this? So I've had some clients that will actually do an auction in their home. So this is, this is kind of like maybe older clients and they're trying to rehome their stuff. So they'll have their family come in and do an auction, which is kind of fun because then everybody gets to pick the piece.

They like, another way I talk about is repurposing  it. So if you're okay with having it, like if it's a piece of furniture that can be chopped up, which sounds a bit


But you can have it remade into something else. Right. And then you still have that sentimental item. It could be made into a picture frame.

like I thinking of a metal holder, like if you have kids and stuff and you can put your metals on there. There's quite a few different things. You can repurpose it. So that's another way of doing it or repaint it and put new handles on it.

So there's a few things, right?

Glee: good that you mentioned. Cause yeah, I wouldn't have really thought about it. And you've mentioned also about like family matters. I'm curious to know how, like for me, I am a Filipino living in Australia, but even before in the Philippines, my parents really love collecting stuff because of the culture as well.

And how am I able to tell them that, or maybe try to start a conversation with them on like, mom, dad, just can, can you just let go of these stuff and you know, how do I, how do I initiate,  these conversations?

Louise: Yeah. You know, that's a really tricky one and a lot of us struggle with it. Right. Because we don't really like to think about what happens to mom and dad eventually happens to all of us. Right. But it's a sub Yeah.

it does. That's one thing we can be sure of in life, I guess. So. And it's, it's not a fun subject and I totally get that.

But what happens is a lot of the times we're left with our parents stuff. And if you're saying your parents like to collect stuff because of their culture, and it can be just. How our parents are as well. Then you have to think about your going to be the one that needs to not clean up the house, but, you know, deal with your stuff when you're dealing with mourning and and other things, right.

Are you going to have to go there and pack up their home? Find a home for everything. Are you going to feel guilty getting rid of this stuff? That sounds a bit harsh, but you know what I mean, dealing with it. So what I suggest is really start the conversation now, and that could be tough. And, and you know, for some times they may change the subject.

They you know, say, I don't want to talk about that right now.

But just keep it, which, you know, I get it. Cause they're like, eh, that's not something I really want to think about. Some are open, some are not, but just keep being really gentle and really mindful and don't come out them as a, um, really. Yeah, basically. Yeah. You know what I'm trying to like, come in right. Really aggressive, right. Just say, right, we're going to get rid of this and they'll be like, Whoa. No. So, so what I suggest is coming in gentle conversations like mum and dad, you have some great stuff here. I really want to find a great home for them.

I don't have room for them in my home. What can we do? And then you can actually start it's a little bit harder. Are you parents doing in the

Glee: Yeah, they are still in the Philippines.

Louise: right. So it's a little bit different, but you could start working together with them even over virtually.

Let's find a home for things. Let's start asking the family and do it together as a project. And so then they can see their stuff going to a really great home and they feel good about it. And another one could be to donations that they, they really are passionate about. Go to donation centers. So they know they're helping someone with their stuff, but really start the gentle conversation.

Don't be aggressive about it. And start with words like mum and dad, like I said, do you have great stuff? I love it. I just don't have room for it. But if you have brothers and sisters as well, talk to them and see amongst yourselves, what you want,

Glee: Hmm,

Louise: do the old

Glee: like

Louise: claim. I want that.

Glee: wants it. I feel that. Yeah. I think it's very good that you mentioned that. um, to start with saying that these are the, your stuff are really great because I think, for us kids, We just bluntly say that, Oh, it's not useful anymore. Like you say, it's the bad things right


So I guess that's


Louise: Yeah. And it's the emotions you've got to watch out for. Right. Cause we all love our stuff, what we have, it's our stuff. And it's what we're attached to. It's what we're passionate about. And if someone comes at us and said, you know what, you got too much stuff. I don't want it. Let's just get rid of it.

It's like, Whoa.

Glee: Yeah,


Louise: we get that. Think of it and being in their shoes. Right? yeah. It's a tough one, but it's start slowly.

Glee: And one of the things that also you're passionate about the decluttering part that provides calmness in our lives. So how does it, integrate with this, calm in our lives? just by

decluttering our homes.

Louise: with clutter, some of us really, we don't stop and think about the actual effects it has on us. So we kind of know it has some sort of effect, right. We walk past something and we're like, Oh, wow. That kind of sends a message to the brain. I, to deal with that. And you walk past it five times before you do anything with it, maybe more than that.

So then you have brain clutter when you have so much stuff. So, what we need to do is create a system, like keep it regularly, actually maintain it with our habits and routines. And when you see you have too much stuff, there's a lot of triggers that cause us to have too much stuff. So going a little deeper.

I know this is kind of deeper in the question, but I have the acronym the top six reasons why we collect clutter, which is reason and retail therapy emotions. Assigned time. S for sentimental over overwhelming and can't say no. So what you need to do is really look into this and discover the triggers of why we're holding onto clutter, because clutter affects us in our health, our finances, and it robs us of our time.

Right. So, you imagine when a well. we're not leaving our homes as much lately, but you know, when you're rushing out the door and you're trying to find your keys, you're trying to get the kids ready for school. And they've got backpacks and lunches, and you're just like the stress level goes up so high.

You'll leave the house and perhaps you're heading to work or you go into business, then you're really now have all this adrenaline rush. And you're just feeling really, really stressed. Then you come home. And the house is chaos. So what's the first thought your first thought is like, ah, I gotta do all this.

And then it just starts again. Right. Whereas our home, I feel, and what I believe is that it should be our sanctuary don't get me wrong. I'm not saying it's always going to be a hundred percent perfect. Cause mine definitely is not. But we need to keep on top of it. So we're not feeling like we have fuzzy brain.

I call it fuzzy brain, you know, when you can't focus and you're like, I've got to do this? I've got to do that. And there's so much going on in our lives that when we can have calm in our lives, we allow for abundance. We allow for creativity. There's just so much that comes in and you can actually focus and spend time with your family and really listen to them and really not be thinking about, I've got to do that pile of dishes over there.

I've got to pick up all that stuff over there. So it really affects us in so many ways. And our health. We sometimes make, not so good health choices because we, don't enjoy being in our home. Right. Or we don't like cooking. So we don't, make good meals because we're just not really feeling comfortable or we do a lot of takeaway.

It heightens our anxiety can cause depression. I know I'm kind of bringing the conversation down, but you know, there's all these things that we need to think of that clutter really does have a hold of us. really a lot of, scientists now are actually studying it and it's becoming a real thing, I guess you call it right.

there's a lot of studies happening all over America about it now.

Glee: thank you for, going deeper into that question. And I have like a very funny article that I came across with, which is also related to a study, but like on the different spectrum. So it's an article from Independent.co.uk that you,  I, when I was like searching for anything about decluttering, it just came up and then it said that intelligent people tend to be messy.

So apparently this study in the university of Minnesota that suggests the link between geniuses and their intelligence. So. this is just a fun take. So  what is your take on it?

Louise: I love that. I think that's really funny and, and I know intelligent people will be like wow, that's probably me. Um, there, there are so.

Glee: I'm, messy, you know? Like, and something like um, I in Stein's table was also like messy. I don't know. Like maybe it's just because it's Einstein. Not because he's, um, messy. That's why he's a genius or something.

Louise: It's really funny , Einstein, cause I've actually used a couple of his quotes and I can't remember off the top, but he talks about clutter and probably because he's, you know, the brain is like going constantly, so they have everything. But one really interesting thing is you can seem messy to other people.

But you can know exactly where everything

Glee: Ah,

Louise: different. So they might have piles of papers. And then you say, can you grab me that report? And you're like, yeah, sure. Here it is. You know what I mean? So it's,

everybody's so different. So I really liked that take on it actually. But Yeah.

Einstein, what he was actually well-known for like his clutter and he actually quoted about it quite a

Glee: Hmm,

Louise: you said that.

Glee: it was, it was, it was, so funny that, people, when they see these types of articles in the internet, You know, we tend to Oh, I'm also like this one, I'm like this one because it said, you know, so what, it's a, it's a funny, it's a funny thing, but I guess, I mean, it's, as you said, it's, everybody's different and My messy is not other people's messy. As long as maybe people are

hygienic or something.

Louise: Yeah. Yeah. There's a difference between that. Hey, if you've ever seen like the hoarder shows and stuff like that, there are interesting, there's, there's a different kind of perspective in there too, but yeah, being cleans kind of actually, and I'll admit myself, I don't like cleaning. I'm an organizer, but I don't like cleaning.

Glee: uh, me,

I'm the opposite. Um, actually I'm very messy, but I like cleaning. Like I'm so bacteria freak, I really like cleaning, but it's just messy. Like the messy, like the arranging, the arranging

part is difficult for me.

Louise: Right. And that's where it's really good, because I guess being maybe in the opposite, I might housecleaning. I could leave it. I'm like, I mean, I don't, but it's like, it's not my favorite thing. Getting rid of clutter and sorting it, love it where people kind of do think I'm a little weird that way, but that's Okay.

Glee: Ah, yeah. Well, that's very interesting. And at least now like, Oh, it's not really, it's not always like, the same as

you mentioned, but yeah, very

Louise: Well, and, and now that you say that,  we also talk about organizing to our processing modalities, so don't get to, but you know how we have the eight modalities, so

processing to that as

Glee: eight modalities.

Louise: So If you are creative, if you are kinesthetic, kinesthetic,

 um, if you're an audio person, if you're visual.

So it really, that really plays a big part into it too, which I find really intriguing as well. And that's what I help people with too, because just a quick example, if you have your home office and say, if you're a visual person, like if you put things away, You forget about it. And that's actually a big, a lot of us, right?

It's like, I put this away, I make it look pretty. And then you're like, Oh, I forgotten where, what I have. But if you have an office where you can organize it, you have open shelves, but make it look pretty, then you feel better because you can see it cause you're visual. But then somebody asked that could drive them a little crazy because they're like, that's going to annoy me seeing all that stuff.

I need it hidden away. So you see that like, How it affects us that way too. So yeah, I just thought I'd throw them.

Glee: that's good. That's good though. Thank you for mentioning that. what is your advice on the first step that we need to do to change the mindset of accumulating clutter or being disorganised?

Louise: Yeah, for sure. Great question. it can be a, loaded question, but the first thing I always say is let's really look at why we're holding onto clutter, where it comes from, you know, the acronym I suggested is it because when, you're triggered, emotionally, do you go shopping? Is it

sentimental your hope.

Right. Ah, God, you busted. You're like, yep. That's me. So, and then, you know, so what we do is we switch that mindset. Okay. I feel triggered. I actually don't really need anything, but let's go for, coffee with a friend or let's find something else. When you notice that trigger happening. But just to really be aware of that and get to the root cause of why you're collecting and can't let go, but just sort of on another way, how you can do it is, commit to it.

And make it like an actual priority, which I know a lot of us don't we kind of go, I'll do it later. And you know, it's, it's not important, but you know, if you, you know, when you're cleaning it, like you're doing your house cleaning, how good that feels. So now we need to change that projection to having less stuff and not being messy and saying, I want that feeling of, you know, how good that feels when I put stuff away.

But then it's also having a place for everything as well. and that makes it easier. But if we were to go back to just sort of say, how are you going to start to declutter? What I would suggest for people is get a spot in your home that you can kind of leave boxes.

So grab some boxes that you can do the categories donate, keep sell, trash. And then have that set up and then go through the areas, like do them in small, tiny tasks is what I call them. I don't know if you've seen, like some say, pull everything out all at once. Like pull your whole closet at it all at once.

And then that just gets overwhelming and


won't finish

Glee:  Some TV shows. I think

Louise: do.

Glee: I think I

Louise: Yeah.

I'm trying not to name names, but, but you know, there's



Glee: But it's okay. It's okay.

Louise: yeah, So, so, you know, and that's one way of doing it, which, it's great. And you get to see it, but who has six to eight hours to go through the closet and put it


Not me. I don't. And I don't actually, I know I said I like decluttering, but I don't like it for six or eight

hours a day. Right. That's

Glee: Yeah.

Louise: So, so Yeah.

so what I suggest is get boxes, totes, anything, put them in an area of your home. That's not going to cause any issues, but commit to it, put it in your calendar and say by the end of the week or two weeks, I'm going to have my closet done.

And just spend 10 minutes, 15 minutes every night, going through your closet. And what you'll always find is actually it's a really big knock on effect. Go through the simple things first. So things that you know, that you can get rid of quite easily and then work your way up to the harder items. You know, the items you're keeping because.

Just in case I can fit into them again one day just in case. Right. Then you're kind of like, you're really ready to let go. Cause you're making that decision, but that's kind of how to do it really quickly. And, because people sometimes say start with the hard things first, but if you start with the hard things, you're not going to continue on.

Right. Because you don't feel good about yeah. So that would be my suggestion

for people.

Glee: Oh, Thank you. so much for that advice. I remembered something that, I'm looking at some, Instagram, you know, photos and, you know, decluttering is like a thing now as well, especially in the Philippines and, most of the home organizers, they, buy more stuff to organize their homes.

like, labeling and stuff. what is your take on it?

Louise: Yeah.

I'm a little different from that. So I actually, it's a great question too, because, when I talk about like the three top mistakes, the one of the top mistakes is thinking you need more organizing products and you really don't. Right. You know, maybe occasionally you might need a little bin or something to put things

in, but when I help people, they have so much organizing stuff.

They're like, but I don't know what to do with it, and I don't know how to use it. And then what happens is when they declutter, they don't need it. And it's like, okay.

I didn't need that to buy that new shelving or, you know, so it's really interesting. So it's a good question. But we just think we're hiding it.

Is what's happening as like, if I could just hide it, then it'll be fine. But then when it's behind those doors or in those bins, can you remember what's there? Do you know really? Do you need it? So it's really going into those questions and be more, more mindful of it really, instead of just putting a bandaid on the problem,

that's what I call it.

Glee: I'm glad that you, you have the same sentiment or something, or your same style, because actually I tried like just looking at Instagram, all people are buying this some very nice canister where I can put my, like coffee or tea and these things. of course they look very aesthetic and then I tried it, but I think it just works differently for other people.

It's not like, you know, one style fits all because I tried buying it to put the cereals and stuff. And then in the end, When I bought another couple of cereals or after, you know, several groceries, I didn't put it back.

Louise: Oh, no, but, and that's a habit you don't know until you try it. Right. And, but we see so much social media and it's like, okay, but that that's got to be, if they're doing it, then I'm doing it too. Right. That's gotta be the right way. So yeah.

I think it's a really good take. And another thing is I really encourage not to have things on your countertops.

Maybe a couple of things, but I'm really big at not having that. And a couple of reasons is because it keeps the room decluttered, but it's also quick for cleaning, you know, like you don't want to have to be picking up things all the time and it's, you know, it's kind of the end. Like I told you, I don't like cleaning.

So I'm like, if I can do it quick, then I'm happy, but Yeah. that's good that you tried, but you know,

Glee: Yeah, it just didn't work out for me, but yeah. So that's why, I guess, I guess that's where the home organizers come in, because they would need to understand the personality of the person. Not like just me, like, Oh, looking at Instagram, it's very aesthetic. I buy these canisters shelves, whatever do labeling, but you know, like without, without really


Louise: Yeah, it, it totally right. And we all do there's, you know, there's a lot of organizers and like you said, it's becoming a really big thing now. And we all have different styles and I'm not like minimalist, but I'm like, let's just have less stuff. And, and like I said, I'm not a naturally organized person, but what helps me get organized is having less stuff.

So that's why I want people to realize that because we've become kind of a materialistic. Without actually realizing it. I think because we have so much, we have easy access to stuff. Like I said, it's so affordable. We can go online it's just, it's really easy to get, but we've kind of forgotten that, you know, when you end up, some people will have.

10 potato peelers. They have, all these different things in their kitchen. They have all these gadgets. Right. And it's really funny cause I'm like, Whoa, I have a knife. I don't need to get all those little gadgets. I can cut things here. I'm thinking of like a strawberry huller if I need to say that word right.

Or, you know, an avocado slicer or an egg slicer, I'm like, but I can do that with a knife. Why do I need, so, you know, it's great if people use them, but half the time they don't. So it's kind of changing that mindset. Right. And it's like, I've had my pots and pans for like 16 years and I've had, which sounds relate, but they're still really good quality.

And, you know, I keep my things for a really long time. So, I think buying good quality stuff too helps as

well. Right.

Glee: Yeah, totally agree with that. it's just changing the mindset, as you mentioned, because let's say, you know, you see these cheap things in, on the internet, like, Oh, let me just buy this, but I have a very good pan though, but it's too heavy for me.

forgot the name Lecreause or something like the French

Louise: Oh, okay.

Glee: Level or something, but it's so hard to clean

Louise: But he keep it though.

Glee: anyway, So, before we wrap things up, I wanted to ask you some fun questions, unrelated to decluttering. aside from your profession, what are you most passionate


Louise: that's a very good question. I am passionate about, camping. I love being outdoors, and living in Canada right now. Cause I'm from New Zealand originally. And living in Canada Alourmonths are like three months of the year. We have summer. It's quite different. So I've loved being out in nature and just like having that campfire and, and it was funny.

Cause growing up, I never used to like it. I always wanted to go stay in a hotel, because we did it all the time, but now I'm like me and my son and my husband. We love it. Just hearing the water yeah, that's, that's what I'm and we're going next weekend. So super excited.


Glee: Oh, Oh, enjoy, enjoy. me, I'm, on to the more of the city's life, but, but I noticed like a lot of Australians and Kiwis, they prefer nature, I think, but maybe because of the very good, natural resources here as well. So it's easier to hike the, things that you can access.

Louise: Yeah.

definitely. And in Calgary where I'm, you know, I'm close to BAMF, which is really famous mountains and Lake Louise, ah, it's appropriately named right.

It's called Lake Louise. Um, So yeah, we have easy access to it, so it's amazing. And it just clears the mind. Huh? Not, Not,

bringing it back to clutter.

Glee: Yeah. Nice. Nice. And so if you had to delete all but three apps from your smartphone,

which one would you keep?

Louise: Oh, am I allowed to keep?

Netflix? I would have to keep Netflix. That's my, I, I w that's an app, right? Yeah. I'm like, I am. Yeah.

Okay, cool. I'm searching. I'm like thinking was that through the website, but I'd have to keep that one. And I would have to keep calm, which is a meditating app, because that really helps me and.

Ooh. I like this question. Now I have to like, look at my phone.  you know what, I would get rid of my social media. I'm going to have to say that. Sorry, social media. But I would keep, you don't what? And it's funny cause I have triple J the Australian radio station.

Yeah. So they're from Sydney, the Australian radio station. I actually have that app on my phone and I listened to that all the time. So yeah, because music, I love that music. So I would have,

that's a good

Glee: Oh,

okay. Okay, great. Ah, that's nice. one last fun question, if you're going to sail around the world, what's the name of your boat?

Louise: Oh, Oh, that is awesome. I love that. I thought you were going to ask me what would be my destination now. I'm like, Ooh, I have to think about that. Well, I'm not very creative with that. Can I go with something like, freedom that's what comes to my mind.

Glee: Okay. Then it's

Louise: we'll go with that. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

Glee: Great. what are your top tip for our Zesties when decluttering

their homes?

Louise: Yeah. So top tips is a, make it a priority. Really set it as a, a necessity in your life. If you're wanting to create that space  in your life and your home, I would put it in your calendar because if you don't schedule it, it's like an appointment. Right. Then you won't do it. So schedule it in like an appointment.

And another really great tip is to change that mindset, to know that you can really live with that stuff. And another really cool one I just was thinking of, I

would pack, I don't know if you've heard of the minimalist.

I did the packing party, but I would pack things away.

Have you heard it that one

Glee: Hmm. No, I haven't. I heard about the minimalists, but I'm not really

in depth.

Louise: Yeah. So what they did was,  one of them actually packed up their whole house. And they were still living there. And what, I'm not suggesting you do this, but what, but what they do, it was as he needed stuff, he pulled it out and then he realized he didn't open half of those boxes. So sometimes you could do that is just actually pack some things away that you're undecided about and see if you actually really do miss it.

And I think that's a really good way to kind of change that mindset. It's like, well, I didn't use it in six months. I don't need it. So I think that's a really good tip and that way, and I was thinking of one more final tip. I think I did mention it before, start with the easy things first. think of it as layers. And just saying, I'm going to go with the easy one that I'm going to see how this feels, and then I'm going to go onto the next thing, but don't feel bad if you go back and forth to the item, because I've had clients that will actually take a week to, declutter something. So don't, don't push it. It's a process. And I think that's a really big thing thinking of it as a process, rather than if it's done straight away, if you're really struggling with things.

Glee: Thank you so much for your tips. they're quick to remember and I think it would resonate to a lot of, especially me.

Louise: excellent.

Glee: And then, so where can

our zesty find you?

Louise: Yeah, sure. So I'm on Instagram as the Space Reclaimers. I have my website, thespacereclaimers.ca, and then I have a Facebook group and it's a private group. So it'sWho Loves to Organize. So with that group, it's great. Cause we do some workshops. We do some tips and strategies. And really help you learn how to let go of stuff and declutter and, and try and do it in 15 minutes a day.

So it doesn't feel like a full-time job. Right. So, yeah. and I think that's probably the best places to find me where I hang out.

 Glee: Oh, thank you so much, Louise, for this wonderful and enjoyable conversation, I've really learned a lot and I'm sure our Zesties  have resonated with your tips and our

stories as well.

Louise: That's awesome. Thank you, so much for having me. It's been a pleasure to speak with you and I really enjoyed it. Thank


Glee: Hey, Zesties, hope you learned and had fun with today's episode. I'm curious to know which part of the house you'd like to declutter, or if you're like me, who's struggling in that area then which space do you least like to declutter? Let me know in the comments or feedback, stay tuned for next week's episodes.



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